This
week sees me returning to a topic I’ve raised before in blogs—writing groups.
Are
you a member, or have you ever been a member, of one? What did you feel you got
out of it? If you stopped going, why?
When
I first moved up to the Lakes I looked for a local writing group and one was
just forming. Great, I thought, but when I rang to make further enquiries alarm
bells sounded from the fact the organiser spent the entire phone call telling
me about her own writing background and didn’t ask a single question about what
I might be working on. Still, I went to the first meeting and realised that she
wanted to use it as a platform for her own ideas on teaching us to write, rather
than simply letting us bring our own work for feedback from the rest of the
group. I know a certain amount of structure is good—a topic for next time, if
people are stuck for what to write about—but it wasn’t what I was looking for,
and I regret that I didn’t last long there.
The
trouble is, at the moment I’m leading a somewhat peripatetic lifestyle and have
never lived in a big city where there are lots of writing groups to choose
from. And I’ve never been a member of one where anyone else was writing crime.
So, I’m starting to wonder about joining an on-line group.
But I
don’t know how that works.
The
big problem is the written word. If someone says, to your face, “That piece of
dialogue really doesn’t work for me. It’s clunky. It sounds like the writer
needing to get information across to the reader, rather than two people
talking.” Then you pick up on far more than the words. Body language, tone,
emphasis, facial expression, all help to soften down the criticism into
something you can process and accept. Dashed off in an email, it sounds like a
damning condemnation.
Somebody
once said there are six ways people can read a letter. Some people write things
that are supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, and find themselves being taken much
too seriously and causing great upset or offence. I know adding smiley faces to
emails is supposed to be a bit naff, but I do it all the time now to show I’m
only making a jokey comment that is not supposed to be taken literally. Having
had someone ring up and yell at me down the phone for a throwaway remark I once
put in an email, I’m now very careful about these things. It doesn’t always
work, of course, and I know I often put my foot in it.
So,
that in itself makes me wary of joining an on-line writing group. The whole
purpose of on-line is that you don’t meet, so how do I know if the general
personality of the people whose opinions I’m soliciting will fit in with my own
ideas? You make decisions about people within minutes of meeting them, but how
long does it take for those same opinions to form when all you have are emails
or comments? Do people reveal themselves more fully in their writing than
face-to-face, or do they hide behind the words?
And
quite often I used to take along to my writing group the bits I wasn’t sure
about. If you write something that you instinctively know is good, you’re happy
with it. It’s the bits you have sneaky doubts about where you want a second—or
even third or fourth—opinion. Do I really want to release unfinished, possibly
dodgy bits of work onto the Internet? Who knows where it might end up, and what
damage it might do?
Paranoid?
Me?
So,
I’m looking for advice and information, people. Can you recommend a good
on-line crime/thriller writing group? If you’ve had any bad experiences of
on-line or face-to-face writing groups, care to share? And just how do the damn
things work, exactly?
This
week’s Word of the Week is postiche, an adjective meaning superfluously
and inappropriately added to a finished work; counterfeit or false. Also a noun
meaning an inappropriate hairpiece or wig.
Personally, my love :))), I don't play well with others when it comes to writing groups.
ReplyDeleteI enjoy the process as a teacher, including gladly accepting criticism of my own work from my students when I give then the chance to do so as a part of their learning "how to play well with others"--a key element of my course.
HOWEVER, my past experience with writing groups, both of the in-person and Internet kind, is that there's ALWAYS at least one in the crowd with an agenda that forces the rest to work around the one, and for that I definitely have no patience.
By the way, I think for a writer of your distinguished reputation you have a legitimate basis for paranoia at joining unfamiliar folk in a writing group, but I think there's a relatively easy solution inspired by your Word of Week: Use a beard. Yes, develop a new email address and persona when you join the group. After all, if the criticism is meant to be of your work, not the writer, why should it matter who you are? After all the concept worked for Robert Galbraith...just don't share your secret identity with anyone, especially attorneys, Charlie.
Hmm, good suggestion on the anonymity, Jeff -- as long as I'm working on standalone and not my series, otherwise that might give the game away a little.
DeleteI went for a trial visit to another writing group years ago, who I discovered very much looked down on 'genre' fiction. I read out my very first scene featuring Charlie Fox (it later found its way into book three, HARD KNOCKS, almost intact) and there was a long slightly offended pause afterwards, then somebody said, "Well, it's not the kind of thing I'd normally read ..." That set the tone, I think. I never went back.
Writers group, I think (not being a professional writer myself, so far anyway :-), are like unicorns: beautiful ideas, but incredibly difficult to track down in the wild. As Jeff said, there's always at least one bad apple in the group.
ReplyDeleteAs for people revealing themselves more fully in writing than face-to-face, I think it's more a matter of people revealing themselves *differently* in writing than face-to-face. In both situations, everyone puts on a certain mask, no matter how close you are to the other party. It's just a different mask when you're face-to-face than when you're writing. I, for example, am really a disfigured transvestite street-walker from Honduras, and I just use that idiot picture of one of my Johns as my on-line identity...
Love the unicorn analogy, Everett. I found one when I was up in Cumbria, but lost it when I moved last year, sadly.
DeleteHmm, interesting point that people reveal themselves differently. Some people don't quite take the time to add the niceties in print, because it takes too long to type, so they just put rather bald comments that can be rather cutting.
And didn't we meet once in a little bar in Tegucigalpa?
Well I inherited my writing group ! And it is fine. I can get imagery inspiration from the nature poets. I give 'editorial suggestions' and make sure that they only do 5 pages.. and not give us their life story beforehand The two teachers mark the punctuation. We pay lip service to some members, we really take on board what some others say. Everybody brings enough copies for one between two. The main rule - offer crit in the way you would wish to receive it.
ReplyDeleteThe main issue is they keep having affairs and falling out with each other. But I just accept that as plot fodder...
How lovely to have a writing group as a family heirloom! Is it mentioned in your last Will and Testament?
DeleteSounds like a good mix. Of course, if any of them read this, they're going to start wondering about the ones you only pay lip service to ...
And the affairs must keep everything entertaining, if nothing else :))
I want to join your group, Caro, but I suspect you've already guessed that. For the poetry of course.
DeleteWhy does this not surprise me, Jeff ...? :))
DeleteHave you considered forming a writing group among yourselves?
ReplyDeleteStrangely enough, not until you mentioned it ...
DeleteThanks for putting the idea into our heads!