tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post4871628515026378108..comments2024-03-28T08:30:57.453-04:00Comments on Murder is Everywhere: A Greek Skeleton Out of the Closet.Ovidia Yuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05749549092493567689noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-91331711332848814182016-08-14T08:11:33.536-04:002016-08-14T08:11:33.536-04:00Good point, Kathy! :)
Good point, Kathy! :)<br />Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-63092177959100594862016-08-14T05:50:02.849-04:002016-08-14T05:50:02.849-04:00During this election period, everyone in Pittsburg...During this election period, everyone in Pittsburgh might try to flee the country.<br />Syracuse and Mykonos seem like perfect places to hide out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-67209119950041147242016-08-13T21:14:08.676-04:002016-08-13T21:14:08.676-04:00Jeff, I'd thought about replying to AmA's ...Jeff, I'd thought about replying to AmA's well stated opinion on the state of everything, but then fortunately the wiser half of my brain stepped in and said, "You don't need to. Jeff will step in it. Just give him space."Everett Kaserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371555243187874414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-43781089095222996042016-08-13T13:31:54.829-04:002016-08-13T13:31:54.829-04:00Yeah, and where to I get to flee to, Pittsburgh? Yeah, and where to I get to flee to, Pittsburgh? Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-25211344037293499842016-08-13T12:48:04.490-04:002016-08-13T12:48:04.490-04:00Have you forgotten that, unlike the others in this...Have you forgotten that, unlike the others in this discussion, I am a descendent of Syracuse? (Io sono siracusana!) One of Plato's favorite cities. Where he went when he had to flee Athens. Annamaria Alfierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311596277267789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-76909354070116672142016-08-13T12:32:07.395-04:002016-08-13T12:32:07.395-04:00Teehee. I actually knew the moon was full sometim...Teehee. I actually knew the moon was full sometime the week I was writing about. Because it was the week before Easter.<br />Anyway, regarding the question of whether the Greeks engaged in human sacrifice, I wonder why they seem want to deny it. Let's say that they did, a millennium or so before Plato. Many primitive cultures did at that time. The Carthaginians, just around then, were not only engaging in human sacrifice. But many historians say they REQUIRED every man give his first son to be sacrificed to their god Baal. But if the Greeks went from human sacrifice to Plato in less than a thousand years, they look to me like the most remarkable people on the planet. It's a boon that Western civilization followed suit. And as you know, it is my belief that we are still following in their footsteps and improving.Annamaria Alfierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311596277267789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-36914456384115753272016-08-13T12:17:18.726-04:002016-08-13T12:17:18.726-04:00Sorry, couldn't resist that...Sorry, couldn't resist that...Michael Sears (of Michael Stanley)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09886295534214542834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-29590447492647845602016-08-13T12:16:38.830-04:002016-08-13T12:16:38.830-04:00http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/south-afric...http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/south-africa/johannesburg?year=1650Michael Sears (of Michael Stanley)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09886295534214542834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-28721311045652161052016-08-13T12:12:58.125-04:002016-08-13T12:12:58.125-04:00That was exactly the point I was trying to make (a...That was exactly the point I was trying to make (although obviously not very well). If it was well accepted that there was no such thing as human sacrifice in ancient Greece, then her books are really what you call alternate history, and that would disappoint me a little. (After all, the central theme of The King Must Die is human sacrifice.) Thus I wondered if the matter was clear in her day. This recent discovery tends to suggest that the matter actually ISN'T clear either way!Michael Sears (of Michael Stanley)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09886295534214542834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-17674522287624761162016-08-13T11:59:48.008-04:002016-08-13T11:59:48.008-04:00I often thought about placing a story on Naxos in ...I often thought about placing a story on Naxos in large part because of it's historical significance, but held off because so few outside of Greece knew about it. With its recent surge in popularity, I might just reconsider, though for Kaldis #9 he looks headed off to Lesvos.Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-81626584264146661102016-08-13T11:56:57.457-04:002016-08-13T11:56:57.457-04:00Yep, you're right again, sis, you are ranting....Yep, you're right again, sis, you are ranting. :) [Quick, EvKa, hide under the dining room table before she finds us.]Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-55817713830058679852016-08-13T11:40:20.135-04:002016-08-13T11:40:20.135-04:00Michael, in fairness to my literary genre: histori...Michael, in fairness to my literary genre: historical novelists are not people who "deliberately falsify" history. That is what toffee-nosed historians are always saying about us. As a group, we range from slavishly following the "facts" (which we all know are subject to change over time anyway) to those who write alternate history (what would the world have been like if the Germans had won WWII). We are not deliberately lying about history and trying to pass it off as the truth. We are fictionalizing it. Making it engaging and entertaining. Using it as a backdrop to spin a compelling yarn. That's what Mary Renault did superbly well. I know I am ranting, but that sort of criticism drives me nuts. I once had a historian tell me that I should not have put a full moon in my story without calculating whether the moon was really full on that exact date in 1650. AARRRGGGHHH!Annamaria Alfierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311596277267789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-78280462060925879242016-08-13T10:01:01.804-04:002016-08-13T10:01:01.804-04:00I think in fairness to Jeff, he was only talking a...I think in fairness to Jeff, he was only talking about the historical accuracy aspects of her work. I'm not sure if she deliberately falsified some aspects for the story, or whether that was the perception of the time.Michael Sears (of Michael Stanley)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09886295534214542834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-38987563084072361502016-08-13T09:41:42.871-04:002016-08-13T09:41:42.871-04:00I see a new plot line developing for Kaldis and cr...I see a new plot line developing for Kaldis and crew. . .Jackie and Joel Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14074129927177165084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-48696326792901669532016-08-13T09:00:20.420-04:002016-08-13T09:00:20.420-04:00ME? Get Sarcastic with YOU? I know you better th...ME? Get Sarcastic with YOU? I know you better than that. You are my brother, the one who screams "OUCH" when I hit him with a pillow. Don't worry. I won't tell mommy on you.Annamaria Alfierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311596277267789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-26805985986551541192016-08-13T08:11:10.135-04:002016-08-13T08:11:10.135-04:00Or was it simply sarcasm. :) OUCH. STOP HITTING M...Or was it simply sarcasm. :) OUCH. STOP HITTING ME WITH THOSE PILLOWS.Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-91797479414283409382016-08-13T08:08:37.657-04:002016-08-13T08:08:37.657-04:00I have a better suggestion than biting your tongue...I have a better suggestion than biting your tongue, Sis. Take a breath. :)<br />Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-49078711652539816192016-08-13T07:34:14.038-04:002016-08-13T07:34:14.038-04:00Okay, Bro, now you are making me REALLY mad. Firs...Okay, Bro, now you are making me REALLY mad. First you imply that the US Presidential candidates are more or less equal when it comes to their past behavior, when in actuality one is a level headed, hard working victim of mysoginistic demonization and the other is a narcissistic madman and releaser of living demons.<br /><br />But then... But then, you attack a historical novelist because her stories are fiction?? Must you join those "scholars" who go around questioning the veracity of a great story teller who clearly labeled her work FICTION? FICTION!! I bite my tongue.Annamaria Alfierihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311596277267789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-74060842213845600452016-08-13T06:57:48.215-04:002016-08-13T06:57:48.215-04:00Ah yes, a true legendary writer of historical nove...Ah yes, a true legendary writer of historical novels exploring Greece. But as you surely know, her masterful literary adaption of events was often questioned by scholars for their historical accuracy, as for example her view of Theseus and Ariadne's time together on my neighboring island of Naxos (as told in "The King Must Die"), most notably her bloody fling across that island's hillsides one night in the company of a group of definitely partying women. Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-75241926958811215632016-08-13T06:48:05.894-04:002016-08-13T06:48:05.894-04:00Lying Lykaion? What are you doing, EvKa, getting a...Lying Lykaion? What are you doing, EvKa, getting a bit Trump-like on us?<br />Jeffrey Sigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00718317707555064653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-80728103261745286882016-08-13T05:36:11.841-04:002016-08-13T05:36:11.841-04:00Fascinating, Jeff! I guess having been brought up ...Fascinating, Jeff! I guess having been brought up on Mary Renault (and others) I always assumed that human sacrifice did exist in ancient Greece. So it's equally intriguing to discover that no, it didn't, and now,<br /> well maybe it did!Michael Sears (of Michael Stanley)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09886295534214542834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1990338437877873686.post-13567816645874163252016-08-13T01:07:39.697-04:002016-08-13T01:07:39.697-04:00Now THERE is a proper title for a novel: A Legend ...Now THERE is a proper title for a novel: A Legend of My Own. Or maybe Lying on Lykaion?Everett Kaserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371555243187874414noreply@blogger.com